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Good timing the other day gave me the chance to connect with TIP as he took a little jaunt through eastern Ontario, western Quebec and part of the near north. Nice to meet him in person and get a chance to talk with a very knowledgeable and nice guy. One thing I noted, but not in too much detail, was his deer whistles.

I have scanned a few of the threads on the site about them, but haven't found any info about how anyone actually mounted them. Do most people just use the two sided tape that comes with them? From what I have heard, that is a good and quick way to have them disappear and provide trinkets for people walking down the road.

As I will be travelling in deer (and moose) country, and remember a close encounter I had with a coyote in the GAspe that I don't want to repeat, I would love to hear from people as to where exactly they mounted their whistles and how they did so.

After parting from TIP, I passed a nice looking dark blue C with faring on my way home: never saw two other C's in one day before.
 

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We don't! There is absolutely no proof that they work after decades of research. Attach it next to your Gremlin Bell, both are just as useless, just comfort objects.
 

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Hey reb, there is no proof that they don't work either. According to the Ontario Provincial Police a number of years ago they tested them on cruisers in the Grand Bend area and the instances of deer collisions declined. The company I worked for are based out of northern Ontario with over 500 trucks. They install them on all new units. I really couldn't care less if there is no scientific evidence, if by chance they scare 1 deer from being in my path, I feel they are worth it. I have them on all my vehicles and the were on the trucks that I put millions of miles on and maybe luckily, I have never hit a deer. Had a black bear come to the edge of the highway this week while on the bike and as I started to slow, he turned and ambled back into the woods. Maybe he heard my whistles and thought he was a deer.
 

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Hey reb, there is no proof that they don't work either. According to the Ontario Provincial Police a number of years ago they tested them on cruisers in the Grand Bend area and the instances of deer collisions declined. The company I worked for are based out of northern Ontario with over 500 trucks. They install them on all new units. I really couldn't care less if there is no scientific evidence, if by chance they scare 1 deer from being in my path, I feel they are worth it. I have them on all my vehicles and the were on the trucks that I put millions of miles on and maybe luckily, I have never hit a deer. Had a black bear come to the edge of the highway this week while on the bike and as I started to slow, he turned and ambled back into the woods. Maybe he heard my whistles and thought he was a deer.
MAYBE the Bogeyman is watching you.......give me a break!

All of what you said is pointless suspicion! I stand by and repeat what I said the first time, just a comfort object.

How do you feel about loud exhausts?
 

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Kujawskir and TIP; did you both just use the two sided tape or did you secure them in some other manner, if so, how?

TIP, glad you and the bear kept your respective distances and you both made it home safely. If you feel like another little jaunt, I'll keep you posted. Heading out to take a ride with Muised in Nova Scotia at the end of the month; you are free to join us if you like. Currently will be a CTX700N, NC750(S or X, forget which) and possibly a Stateline.

Looking to get my Brake Away installed this weekend. By the way, next time you are up this way, there is a small town called Delta just north of Brockville. largely restored automated water powered gristmill that was originally built around 1815 is fascinating to see.

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Vulcan, I ran into the bear shortly after leaving Mont Laurier. Kind of took me by surprise. Always looking for moose or deer, but it is the first bear encounter I have had. By the way if you have never traveled that 327 out of La Chute Quebec, it is awsome. Steep hills and tight corners for miles. Great scenery . Some of those hills were at least 10 to 25 % grades and 90 klm speed limit ., down the other side and a 25 klm curve. Was at Timmins last night and am now at Barry's Bay for the night. WILL visit my 2 daughter tomorrow, 1in Apsley and the other in Anton Mills. My son in law gets tomorrow pm off so we will do a bit of riding . Should have about 3000 klm by the time I get home. So far a great trip.
 

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Vulcan, I ran into the bear shortly after leaving Mont Laurier. Kind of took me by surprise. Always looking for moose or deer, but it is the first bear encounter I have had. By the way if you have never traveled that 327 out of La Chute Quebec, it is awsome. Steep hills and tight corners for miles. Great scenery . Some of those hills were at least 10 to 25 % grades and 90 klm speed limit ., down the other side and a 25 klm curve. Was at Timmins last night and am now at Barry's Bay for the night. WILL visit my 2 daughter tomorrow, 1in Apsley and the other in Anton Mills. My son in law gets tomorrow pm off so we will do a bit of riding . Should have about 3000 klm by the time I get home. So far a great trip.
Great riding throughout the Laurentians. I know the area around La Chute through to Mont Tremblant quite well. I ignore the speed limits (often driving well below them) as many of the roads get quite intimidating due to many of the drivers and totally blind curves.

You will have a nice ride tomorrow as the roads around Barry's Bay, Bancroft and the like are gorgeous with all the exposed granite of the canadian shield and all the lakes and rivers. Trivia: how many lakes in Quebec? over 1,000,000.
 

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getting back to the topic at hand, I would really welcome the feedback from those who have installed the whistles to find out if the tape will actually help them on, or if not, what people had done to securedly fasten them. Trolls need not reply as they are not helpful.
 

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There were holes drilled through the mount plate with stainless screws...but my bike slipped from my grip one day while working on it...and one of the whistles broke off....since then I cannot find where I got them and took both off..but you've "wet my whistle" to "endeavor to persevere" so I will look again and try to find that exact set...LOL
 

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I use to put them on my vehicles until we went to Georgia one time to see my inlaws. We were going down some back roads passing several deer not one ran off one just rolled his head and looked that was it. My father in law was with us and I made menchin of the deer not moving and he said they were there to only to alert them not to scare them off so you don't startle them. I don't know don't use them anymore but I do know that they have electric ones you can turn them on and off.🤔 had some friends put them on.

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Kujawskir and TIP; did you both just use the two sided tape or did you secure them in some other manner, if so, how?


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I just slapped on the two sided tape that they came packed with. At only $7 or so a pair it's no big loss if they fall, and they've stuck pretty well on several vehicles. I spend more time making sure there's good airflow at the spot where I put them than worrying about them staying on.
 

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Instructions are not our enemy

..., if by chance they scare 1 deer from being in my path, I feel they are worth it. ...
I think that's why there are so many nay-sayers out there. The instructions with mine match common sense, they are not supposed to scare the deer away. Scared deer run toward home, and that sometimes means into your path. Whistles are designed to get attention. They say at best you can expect the deer to stand still and look around for the source of the noise, so you must still steer around them if in the road.

My experience at a few specific tunnel openings in PA without whistles was deer were feeding, walking, running, and if too close to the road scared at the last minute. With whistles they normally stop walking long enough for me to get safely by, and not be as scared when close to the road.

Running deer are still running, deer jumping from nearby woods straight across your path are still not in place to hear the whistles and stop to look. Airplanes making emergency landings still ignore you. It's never been a panacea wall of protection.

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I think that's why there are so many nay-sayers out there. The instructions with mine match common sense, they are not supposed to scare the deer away. Scared deer run toward home, and that sometimes means into your path. Whistles are designed to get attention. They say at best you can expect the deer to stand still and look around for the source of the noise, so you must still steer around them if in the road.
What you don't realize is that automobiles make a lot of noise to begin with and they automatically cancel the whistle out! Terrain, tires, engine, fan, exhaust, gears, transmissions, wind obstruction etc. All make a lot of noise. The faster you are going, the louder you are.

The only difference in these whistles is the low frequencies they use. However again, it doesn't matter on the frequency when a louder/higher db frequency is present, it cancels out the low ones!

You can actually make more effect with a louder exhaust to make your presence known and for the animal to hear you. Unless it is a blunt sound like a tap of the horn will it scare them. An approaching louder sound isn't blunt to scare.

You have to remember one thing, deer in general are always unpredictable, which makes the whole argument pointless toward them.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://asa.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1121/1.1582071&ved=2ahUKEwi8nqWvjovkAhUpq1kKHcDYBycQFjAKegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw2XspTTqen46fGRN9vL9d8q

Still not convinced, then stick them on, they are as useful as fake vents, nothing but hideous ornaments!

And there is also a clean argument for the old quote, loud pipes save lives. Most living creatures abort from loud noise, not get attracted to it.
 

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Funny thing about loud pipes. If I am running behind a bike with loud pipes, I hear them. If I am ahead of them, I do not hear them. Seems to me the only way they would save lives is if you were in reverse. That is about as ludicrous of an answer as you gave me about deer whistles Reb. Funny how when we have an accident up here and the rider is killed, he is usually riding a Harley. If what you believe to be true, the cager that hit him should have heard him coming. And to answer your question, I have no problem with moderately noiseyl pipes, but the very loud ones to me say the owner is a little short somewhere else.
 

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Phil, I got home tonight. Spent Friday visiting with my daughter in Apsley and moved on and spent Saturday with my other daughter in Barry. It rained hard all morning there but cleared up in the PM and left for home about 5 pm and got home about 7. Great trip, no troubles, gained a couple of pounds, met some nice people, and all in at 3105 klm. I am going to enjoy my own bed tonight.
 

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Funny thing about loud pipes. If I am running behind a bike with loud pipes, I hear them. If I am ahead of them, I do not hear them. Seems to me the only way they would save lives is if you were in reverse. That is about as ludicrous of an answer as you gave me about deer whistles Reb. Funny how when we have an accident up here and the rider is killed, he is usually riding a Harley. If what you believe to be true, the cager that hit him should have heard him coming. And to answer your question, I have no problem with moderately noiseyl pipes, but the very loud ones to me say the owner is a little short somewhere else.
You are contradicting yourself! Lets put things in perspective shall we....
Riding a motorcycle is loud period, you have to account for oncoming wind noise, and your ears are facing forward, anything forward is prominent. You are racing the speed of sound, point of direction and its decomposition. The headlights on the guy behind you isn't as good if yours are off, same exact effect here! If you where standing on the side of the road like a deer, you would hear the bike coming long before it arrived, unlike riding 20 feet ahead of it, proving your scenario as ill advised.

As to the whistle or a horn for that matter, they still have the speed of sound and its decomposition working against it. At speed, horns also don't work as well as they do at a stop. Try this simple experiment yourself if you think I am full of it, it is completely obvious to any one willing to try.

The only thing ludicrous is your complete dismissal of facts and science. Try reading the report I posted, it aligns with everything I have said!

Believing a mild prominent noise will somehow alert an animal by way of a deer whistle is effective, but a louder more prominent noise made by an exhaust is less effective is just downright ignorance!

Its common sense here really, that you like to neglect or have the lack of.

I don't speak for so called accidents. There are to many variables and too little Intel, especially if I had zero involvement!
 
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