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Do you really believe that 250,000 can ACCURATELY be traced to Sturgis?? Oh, Sorry you do.

And the dollar amount that has been attached to that, $12 billion or whatever, come on.
Even the governor of South Dakota doesn't believe that number!
The first death, a few days ago, was from my state I think.
Should I hide in my house and wait it out because its in the air around here??

WHY do you think the white house is now handling the covid numbers and NOT the CDC or some medical place??
I dont know but its strange.

Sorry you know people that are affected, but getting this IS NOT a death sentence.
And I, and a bunch of others, are tired of hearing about it and having people like you telling us how scared you are of it.

AND yes almost all of us will get it. I believe Dr. Fauci has said that. You dont even believe him?
 

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Mike: you may have had a mild case, but to say that it is a walk in the park is not accurate. Reading comments from chief medical officers of health across north america and elsewhere is showing that not to be the case. Younger people (those children under 40 or 30, not those approaching middle age in their late 50's...) are taking longer to recover, and ongoing physical problems are lasting longer, and having inflamation of blood vessels and damage to heart and other organs, not just lungs.
This will pass, but it won't be on the agenda of politicians. It will likely be having a significant impact for more than a year or so: only time will tell.
Masks have benefits in limiting the spread, not protecting the wearer. Then you have all the other protocols that are likely not being followed if masks are not being worn (not referring to you, but those who likely helped spread it to you...).
Statistics are becoming less meaningful. I dont know anyone who has confidence in the numbers coming out of China; then again, the numbers in the US have also become less credible once the White House began to take over from CDC and started "managing" the numbers.
Even with the flawed numbers, ever wonder what it is about the nature of the US that is causing it to be far and away the highest centre of infection (totalitarian states such as China And Russia don't count...unless you want to count the number of people who go against the dictators and end up dead)? Numbers are going to increase with schools back, but how society reacts to increases will have impact on longer terms results.
Hi Phil. Elane, the girls, and I all had it. It was easy for all of us. That is my point. I know it is a serious disease for some. However, if you think the majority of cases result in serious symptoms or require substantial clinical intervention, you are 100% mistaken. For the record, I do believe certain steps, like masks, are prudent and effective. I do not believe the current approach to restrictions on commerce are prudent.

I ask this next question with nothing but civility. If you acknowledge data is flawed why are you relying on it? Again with civility, are you only looking at data to support your position or to fully inform your position?

Here is something to chew on. Covid vaccine phase 3 trials. Pretty simple stuff, nobody has antibodies, some get placebo, others are dosed with the drug, all are exposed to gross amounts of covid-19. Not one single adverse event requiring meaningful clinical intervention. Not a single instance across tens of thousands of patients. No hospitalizations. No complications. No deaths. Do you not feel that is meaningful data? That isn't happenstance. your country and mine are moving aggressively forward with trials because the independent safety committees are saying the risk or continuing the studies presents Iow risk to the participants.
 

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It’s not a matter of agreement. It’s either acknowledging facts or ignoring them. Ignoring facts is what is killing hundreds of thousands of people and leaving millions more with health problems. And don’t forget, the people that don’t get it still suffer when someone they know and love dies from it or has to try to recover from it. It’s a communicable disease and I’m tired of people ignoring the facts of the situation and putting more people at risk and therefore actually killing more people. I just saw an article today that said Sturgis, which had an estimated 500,000 attendees, has spawned 250,000 cases, and if I recall correctly the first death was today. First death. There will be more, count on it. And it’s because people are ignoring facts and getting together in close unprotected groups. And someone spouting off about how we are all gonna get it and it’s not that bad is delusional. Delusional and dangerous. So if he actually wants to get it and get over it, it’s pretty simple: go down to the closest hospital and hang out. Lick a doorknob or 20. And then go home and stay there and we’ll just see how long it takes for your neighbor to notice the bad smell coming from your home. But don’t force your erroneous ignorance onto other people. Don’t get other people killed because you were dumb.
Your response was classless. That is my only point. Pretty sure if he gets it he's not going to die. If it is so dangerous, why is the entire world exposing tens of thousands to gross amounts of virus in vaccine trials with no meaningful clinical intervention? They must be just hiding the bodies.
 

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Hi Phil. Elane, the girls, and I all had it. It was easy for all of us. That is my point. I know it is a serious disease for some. However, if you think the majority of cases result in serious symptoms or require substantial clinical intervention, you are 100% mistaken. For the record, I do believe certain steps, like masks, are prudent and effective. I do not believe the current approach to restrictions on commerce are prudent.

I ask this next question with nothing but civility. If you acknowledge data is flawed why are you relying on it? Again with civility, are you only looking at data to support your position or to fully inform your position?

Here is something to chew on. Covid vaccine phase 3 trials. Pretty simple stuff, nobody has antibodies, some get placebo, others are dosed with the drug, all are exposed to gross amounts of covid-19. Not one single adverse event requiring meaningful clinical intervention. Not a single instance across tens of thousands of patients. No hospitalizations. No complications. No deaths. Do you not feel that is meaningful data? That isn't happenstance. your country and mine are moving aggressively forward with trials because the independent safety committees are saying the risk or continuing the studies presents Iow risk to the participants.
Mike: I'm glad it was easy for you and your family. I sincerely hope you and yours do not get it again as some have.

I don't believe that most will require substantial clinical intervention. For those that do, it looks like some steroids are having positive results in helping people recover. The danger is where large numbers are contacting the virus and require treatment flooding and overwhelming facilities. Right now, that is not happening, but that situation can change fairly quickly.

No need to preface comments or questions with notes about civility: I take all your comments in the spirit they are offered, regardless of whether they counter some of mine. I look at data that exists despite its flaws as that is all there is. I have been advised by you and others of some instances where incidents may be overreported due to financial gains of hospitals etc (only in the US! Too bad so many have to do without any medical coverage / assistance but that is a different discussion). With close to 30 million recognized cases worldwide, about 23% are in the US. Almost 200,000 people have died in about 8 months. yes, there are often other medical complications, but without COVID, most would likely still be living: it is not just the old and infirm who are dying or suffering long term implications.

Phase 3 trials are starting and hopefully will produce several successful vaccines. I believe most in north america are well run, unlike many cases in Russia where I expect "success" will be declaire shortly, despite shortcuts taken. Time will tell.

As to restrictions on commerce, I'm not sure what you are referring to as there doesn't seem to be any consistency between states, let alone any national standard in the US. There have been numerous outbreaks after large events with no precautions taken.

In most parts of Canada schools are back with varying sets of precautions taken. Many outbreaks already noted, but from community spread, not through the schools. The re0opening of pubs and restaurents and large public or social gatherings remain problematic. How will we survive financially? Many businesses are folding, many more will follow. This is tragic, but things could (and very possibly will ) get worse before it gets better.

One reason I keep following these threads is to learn about different perspective and what is happening elsewhere, including what works and what doesn't. A lot has been learned over the past 8 months. Current knowledge may have prevented some of the shut down and lives adversely affected, but that is pure speculation.

Stay safe and get some good riding in.
 

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Mike: I'm glad it was easy for you and your family. I sincerely hope you and yours do not get it again as some have.

I don't believe that most will require substantial clinical intervention. For those that do, it looks like some steroids are having positive results in helping people recover. The danger is where large numbers are contacting the virus and require treatment flooding and overwhelming facilities. Right now, that is not happening, but that situation can change fairly quickly.

No need to preface comments or questions with notes about civility: I take all your comments in the spirit they are offered, regardless of whether they counter some of mine. I look at data that exists despite its flaws as that is all there is. I have been advised by you and others of some instances where incidents may be overreported due to financial gains of hospitals etc (only in the US! Too bad so many have to do without any medical coverage / assistance but that is a different discussion). With close to 30 million recognized cases worldwide, about 23% are in the US. Almost 200,000 people have died in about 8 months. yes, there are often other medical complications, but without COVID, most would likely still be living: it is not just the old and infirm who are dying or suffering long term implications.

Phase 3 trials are starting and hopefully will produce several successful vaccines. I believe most in north america are well run, unlike many cases in Russia where I expect "success" will be declaire shortly, despite shortcuts taken. Time will tell.

As to restrictions on commerce, I'm not sure what you are referring to as there doesn't seem to be any consistency between states, let alone any national standard in the US. There have been numerous outbreaks after large events with no precautions taken.

In most parts of Canada schools are back with varying sets of precautions taken. Many outbreaks already noted, but from community spread, not through the schools. The re0opening of pubs and restaurents and large public or social gatherings remain problematic. How will we survive financially? Many businesses are folding, many more will follow. This is tragic, but things could (and very possibly will ) get worse before it gets better.

One reason I keep following these threads is to learn about different perspective and what is happening elsewhere, including what works and what doesn't. A lot has been learned over the past 8 months. Current knowledge may have prevented some of the shut down and lives adversely affected, but that is pure speculation.

Stay safe and get some good riding in.
Thanks brother! No riding for me for the next 83 days. Tore my bicep tendon clean off the bone. Pretty gross... rolled up to my deltoid and over to my pectoral. First question was "when can I get on the bike?"


But one thing you have to realize about the USA and the coronavirus is that both sides of the aisle are using it to win an election. Never waste a good crisis. 2-4 years from now, regardless of how each or us feel about this today, we're all going to say "Huh? No shit? Got that all wrong."
 

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Sorry to hear about the injury brother, that sounds nasty.
 

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Thanks brother! No riding for me for the next 83 days. Tore my bicep tendon clean off the bone. Pretty gross... rolled up to my deltoid and over to my pectoral. First question was "when can I get on the bike?"


But one thing you have to realize about the USA and the coronavirus is that both sides of the aisle are using it to win an election. Never waste a good crisis. 2-4 years from now, regardless of how each or us feel about this today, we're all going to say "Huh? No shit? Got that all wrong."
Ok, so you are an overly dedicated rider. My first question is when can the surgeon fix this??

I hope you get surgery soon, if you haven't had it yet. One suggestion is to get a good physiotherapist lined up for when surgical clearance lets you. They can really shorten the recovery time and increase functioning.

less than 8 week until the election and then speculation as to how things will work out regardless of the results. Interesting interviews with Bob Woodward. Think it is called Rage.

Our current PM is working to get a fall election this side of the border too. Oh for a leader with respect for the citizens, a desire for the best of all and a desire to unite and advance the good of the country.
 

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News changes everyday. Like the new book from Woodward. And the latest findings that young children appear fine (asymptomatic) but are actually super spreaders. Now schools are having second thoughts about online education vs. in classroom. When I go out, which is rare right now, I don't wear a mask. I wear a P-100 respirator. I'm currently under treatment for brain cancer, and can't afford to get anything. I do appreciate those who wear masks, because you don't know if you have it, and you don't want the stigma of spreading it to others who might be compromised. Beware of anyone who thinks they are now immune because they already had it. We had story of a middle aged (40 something) guy who got one of the mild cases, and then got it again about 90 day later. The second time, he was on a ventilator for almost two weeks, and when he came out of it, said that it was the worst experience n his whole life. And, finally, the "herd immunity" theory is out the window in regards to this virus. Take care, Stay safe. And best wishes fi you do contract it.
 

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News changes everyday. Like the new book from Woodward. And the latest findings that young children appear fine (asymptomatic) but are actually super spreaders. Now schools are having second thoughts about online education vs. in classroom. When I go out, which is rare right now, I don't wear a mask. I wear a P-100 respirator. I'm currently under treatment for brain cancer, and can't afford to get anything. I do appreciate those who wear masks, because you don't know if you have it, and you don't want the stigma of spreading it to others who might be compromised. Beware of anyone who thinks they are now immune because they already had it. We had story of a middle aged (40 something) guy who got one of the mild cases, and then got it again about 90 day later. The second time, he was on a ventilator for almost two weeks, and when he came out of it, said that it was the worst experience n his whole life. And, finally, the "herd immunity" theory is out the window in regards to this virus. Take care, Stay safe. And best wishes fi you do contract it.
I think if you search this thread, I said there was no maintained immunity, and herd immunity was a fallacy. Nice to be proven right. As to the schools, they are becoming a disaster. Teachers are catching it and actually dying. However the concern is not for the teachers, but the trauma that it is placing on the students. (death and trauma). Fauchi actually wants to shut the country completely down for the winter. Like any isolation has worked thus far. There are studies indicating that lock downs have not worked and yet the politicians continue to cause chaos. If I didn't know better, I would think that chaos and fear is their intent.
 

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I think if you search this thread, I said there was no maintained immunity, and herd immunity was a fallacy. Nice to be proven right. As to the schools, they are becoming a disaster. Teachers are catching it and actually dying. However the concern is not for the teachers, but the trauma that it is placing on the students. (death and trauma). Fauchi actually wants to shut the country completely down for the winter. Like any isolation has worked thus far. There are studies indicating that lock downs have not worked and yet the politicians continue to cause chaos. If I didn't know better, I would think that chaos and fear is their intent.
Much easier to control the herd when it is locked down and terrified. That is the intent of the deep state.
 

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But why? What is the endgame?
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Since you asked, and this will take us off topic for a moment. The far left street thugs (e.g., George Soros, et al, funded black shirts in the Antifa, the BLM Marxist political machine, Acorn, etc.,) really do intend the destruction of the America we have known, turning it into a Marxist "utopia" (yeah, just like Venezuala & Cuba and all other failed socialist outhouses around the world). Like the Bolshevik's they so admire, those highly trained, often well paid, highly mobile & social media savvy Storm Trooper thugs have been very effective in setting the far left wing cities on fire, and in fact, darn near have the whole of the left coast ablaze. All this while the far left gov's, mayors, an city councils look on in admiring awe

Nikita Khrushchev said it many years ago that, “You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won't have to fight you. We'll so weaken your economy until you'll fall like overripe fruit into our hands.”

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<Begin Soapbox>...

Since you asked, and this will take us off topic for a moment. The far left street thugs (e.g., George Soros, et al, funded black shirts in the Antifa, the BLM Marxist political machine, Acorn, etc.,) really do intend the destruction of the America we have known, turning it into a Marxist "utopia" (yeah, just like Venezuala & Cuba and all other failed socialist outhouses around the world). Like the Bolshevik's they so admire, those highly trained, often well paid, highly mobile & social media savvy Storm Trooper thugs have been very effective in setting the far left wing cities on fire, and in fact, darn near have the whole of the left coast ablaze. All this while the far left gov's, mayors, an city councils look on in admiring awe

Nikita Khrushchev said it many years ago that, “You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won't have to fight you. We'll so weaken your economy until you'll fall like overripe fruit into our hands.”

...</End Soapbox>
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I've seen this a few times here and other places; not directed at anyone and not trying to stir the pot, but who is saying there is no herd immunity for Covid 19? It's a coronavirus like any other. As I understand it, not enough people getting sick or not enough people getting vaccinated are the only two ways herd immunity is not achieved. And re-infection? This is from the CDC on Thursday "There are no confirmed reports to date of a person being reinfected with COVID-19 within 3 months of initial infection". The WHO "There have been scattered reports of cases of Covid-19 reinfection. Those reports, though, have been based on anecdotal evidence and largely attributed to flaws in testing." The case in Hong Kong is already being treated as an absolute outlier or a flawed test. The CDC, WHO, AMA, Johns Hopkins, and Harvard all say herd immunity is possible while hinting it is unlikely because too many will choose not to get vaccinated...thanks Biden, Harris... for the record I don't like either ticket or either party and am an independent before everyone starts saying stuff that is inaccurate about my political positions.

Forgive the editorializing.

Is there some credible scientific research that demonstrates no herd immunity and no protection by antibodies? Seems to me a vaccine is worthless if this is the case. Its the whole purpose of a vaccine....think measles. I cannot find anything supporting it, nothing... tried.
 

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So you saying vaccine attempts are futile??
And so these attemps are just to give the frightened hope?
And then the right course of action is to expose everyone so that the virus has no place to go and infect any longer.
Hmmm.
 

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No. I'm saying the exact opposite thus my measles reference. The very purpose of a vaccine is to prevent infection, create herd immunity, and prevent the spread of the disease (like the measles). WHO, CDC, academics, and scientists all seem to agree it's possible to reduce the spread to manageable levels through a vaccine. Biden and Harris are saying not to trust the vaccine because it was created under Trump and Pence, which is simply irresponsible politicicizing. If the vaccine is approved 11/4/2020 Biden and Harris will take full credit and ask everyone to get vaccinated...so will Trump. CDC, WHO are both saying reinfection would be exceptionally rare and the current anecdotal cases are much more likely to be attributed to testing...contamination of the sample or false +/-.

Like I said before, tens of thousands of vaccine study participants exposed to gross amounts of virus and not one hospitalization or death. Yet this is being pitched as a debilitating disease or death sentence for the masses. Data just does not bear that out as a fact. Terrible disease but manageable for the overwhelming majority who contract it.
 

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with due politeness to all. mr jedi has the wrong slant. it is the cdc managing the number for it's own agenda and the whitehouse trying to out them with the truer facts.
on a further note on the subject, we're being fed a ration of deaths from covid which is mostly deaths with covid.
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From the number of lies about issues big or small that have issued from this administration - leaving out the failures of personal integrity that have been exposed - I don’t understand how anyone can trust anything else the WH says. Using anything that came from them as a defense for anything is a loss of whatever credibility one might have had. Pitting the self-proclaimed experts that have zero background of expertise or reliability against actual experts that have legitimate backgrounds and years of study and experience and have been trusted and relied on for many years is just plain ridiculous.
 

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with due politeness to all. mr jedi has the wrong slant. it is the cdc managing the number for it's own agenda and the whitehouse trying to out them with the truer facts.
Do you have anything to substantiate this?
The CDC had been respected world wide as an independent sourse of information of crucial medical matters... until it started being stage managed by the WH.
While it is a truism that all politicians lie (it is truly a rare person period who does not lie periodically), but the fact is your current president has lied so often, that anything coming out of his mouths is muchmore likely to be a lie that the truth.
 
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