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Do you really want the President to be elected by maybe 5 highly populated states?
There would be a limited number of states candidates would campaign in, and none of the states would be named New Hampshire, Iowa, Utah, etc. The founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing with the electoral college.
Yes they did. Their intent was that the most important offices in government couldn't be filled by the rule of "the mob" (and even in the information age, so far it has worked here). And amazingly enough, just a few years after the US Constitution was adopted, the world saw what "the mob" did in the Reign of Terror in France.
 

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howdy, i've been religiously avoiding this thread and still haven't read many of the middle replies. that said, it has somewhat delivered on my expectation that it would turn into political and personal bashing without "gloves".
and that said, i agree mostly with the reply by mzflorida above that the number of cases will be under-reported and the deaths will be over-reported. the cases will be under-reported as part of the agenda to hide the fact of how many individuals are getting the virus and whose immune system swats it like a gnat and says don't come back cause i'm ready fer ya now. the deaths are over=reported partly for economic reasons but also as part of the agenda to make people think that the only answer is an inoculation so that it can be required before allowing the restrictions to be reduced. think,,no plane flights or border crossings or going to a sport stadium or the grocery store or school or religious assembly.......without proving you've had the "shot". i agree with a statement athena made many weeks ago that most of what we're being told doesn't make sense, and i add, without looking for and identifying the agenda and arming ourselves with as much underground info from people we find more trustworthy than CDC WHO and such who have been caught in lies before.
i'm certain we will awaken in a year or so in a world we don't recognize as most of us born previous to 1950 already had.
is that the good news ---or the bad?
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I do not disagree...and along with that, perhaps our Founding Fathers had some trepidation about whether or not our (all male) voting population of that time, could be trusted to choose a wise and competent leader for our Executive Branch. Some may argue that even our citizen voting population of today cannot be trusted?...but I will always encourage others to be informed of every side of a person and/or issue, and then respect their right to a secret/private ballot.
Our US Congress is chosen that way (as well as City, County & State leaders) and perhaps Congress is more important in many ways than is our Executive Branch.
My perception is the evolving destructive divisions resulting from over zealous political partisanship fostered by politicians & pundits alike, driven in large part by their desire for "party" & personal gain over Government of, by & for the People. We were intended to be (& often have been) the "United" States, especially in times of trouble and despite our many different opinions which will always occur. Do we really need political parties?
Just $.02...off the soapbox.
 

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WTF!? Just keep your fingers out of your a##**le and stop making things up. Show here where did I compare "CEA unemployment stats and their press releases with human health & virus outcome"?
I, showing such a sad death statistics, was a reaction to your exceptionally stupid statement that: " it would have been a heil of a lot worse than it is now and you could/should be grateful that it isn't".
This "orange blob" and its minions make such statements every day, and you simply repeat them without thinking.
Reread the conversation, Posts #58, #60, #62.....

The COVID-19 stats have nothing to do with unemployment and economics! You could just as well be comparing banana crops... All your posts make no sense and your latest takes the cake!
 

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I understand what you are saying...maybe that is what we have now, a few "battleground" States making the choice? I simply would like to see very high turnout (90% +/-) everywhere, and each voter know that their vote counts. If that could ever happen, who knows what the result might be with combining that many people from Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Oklahoma, Iowa, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Missouri, South Carolina, Oregon...etc, etc??? (there are many Republicans in CA, despite popular opinion and candidates would want to win in Every State they possibly could, because every vote counts the same) We really do not know for certain what the outcomes would be...but I believe, that over time, one's choice for President could/should be more about individual perception rather than strict partisanship.
I accept there will always be different opinions on this. I would simply like to see nearly All Citizens to get involved everywhere and just maybe we could start to rebuild our "United" States of America. Change may come at any or every election cycle, if enough people stand up. As we all should know; United, We (may) Stand...Divided, We (may) Fall.
That may be the ultimate choice.
As long as we are united to keep our constitution and amendments. There are too many who think our constitution is outdated. They are also the same ones who are trying to change us to a socialist/communist country, with a centralized government having all the power, and the average US citizen having none.
 

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As long as we are united to keep our constitution and amendments. There are too many who think our constitution is outdated. They are also the same ones who are trying to change us to a socialist/communist country, with a centralized government having all the power, and the average US citizen having none.
Valid points...I believe the vast majority of our citizens support our Constitution and will never accept a truly communist state...and as I would like to see higher voter turnout over the poor numbers we usually have, we could continue to protect our form of government and individual freedom.
Way too much money is involved in elections & politics, which has caused too much government for the dollar with it's resulting selfishness. Term Limits anyone? (we should all have opinions & while they may differ somewhat, I want my own to be based upon being more Christ-Like every day He gives me)
 

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They say power is corrupting, and absolute power is corrupting absolute.
 

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Valid points...I believe the vast majority of our citizens support our Constitution and will never accept a truly communist state...and as I would like to see higher voter turnout over the poor numbers we usually have, we could continue to protect our form of government and individual freedom.
Way too much money is involved in elections & politics, which has caused too much government for the dollar with it's resulting selfishness. Term Limits anyone? (we should all have opinions & while they may differ somewhat, I want my own to be based upon being more Christ-Like every day He gives me)
I think a lot of people have given up voting. Regardless who they vote for, the promises are all lies, and very often voting for referendums, the people's choice is overturned by the government who say they know better. There are at least for hurdles for anything that comes to pass in the government. 1. it has to be created: a law, a rule, a child's playground. 2. Then it has to be voted on, and amazingly many hidden and secret agendas of the individuals in power tend to go to work to obtain the outcome for themselves, not necessarily for the populace, 3: then it has to be funded. Many items that have passed have no money to fund, and thus die in the dustbin as they are forgotten. 4 Then they have to be enforced or brought to reality. You will see projects in your state that make no sense, but if investigated you will find filial or monetary connections between those who do the work, and those who proposed the worthless idea.
 

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Valid points...I believe the vast majority of our citizens support our Constitution and will never accept a truly communist state...and as I would like to see higher voter turnout over the poor numbers we usually have, we could continue to protect our form of government and individual freedom.
Way too much money is involved in elections & politics, which has caused too much government for the dollar with it's resulting selfishness. Term Limits anyone? (we should all have opinions & while they may differ somewhat, I want my own to be based upon being more Christ-Like every day He gives me)
I pray you are correct about USA never accepting a communist state. My fear is they will accept a socialist state which is just a half step from being a communist state. People like "free" stuff. I am a big fan of term limits. The President is term limited, why not reps and senators? If a politician knew he/she did not have a lifetime job, they would be much more likely to vote what is best for the country, not what they can do to get reelected or what they need to do to keep the party bosses happy.
 

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You can ask the Canadians how their socialist country has worked out. Those who are getting everything free love it, and the original inhabitants (those born there) do not seem to be so happy. It seems that Quebec is able to blackmail the country for whatever extras it wants, or they will leave Canada, the west is basically doing their own thing, which I think may be driving the federal government crazy, and BC is a country unto itself. Not to mention the Maritime provinces are as poor as ever, and I believe have to fight the federal government for every dollar they receive to survive. I may be wrong, but for immigrants who have nothing, they receive everthing, home, jobs, welfare, health insurance and a varieity of other perks that those born there have to fight for. And if I am not mistaken, they are held captive to their country so they are unable to travel. Not by chains, but by the fact that they have to purchase their own health insurance for anything outside Canada. Their health insurance will only cover travel in the country, absolutely nothing outside of it so many cannot afford to travel.
 

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You can ask the Canadians how their socialist country has worked out. Those who are getting everything free love it, and the original inhabitants (those born there) do not seem to be so happy. It seems that Quebec is able to blackmail the country for whatever extras it wants, or they will leave Canada, the west is basically doing their own thing, which I think may be driving the federal government crazy, and BC is a country unto itself. Not to mention the Maritime provinces are as poor as ever, and I believe have to fight the federal government for every dollar they receive to survive. I may be wrong, but for immigrants who have nothing, they receive everthing, home, jobs, welfare, health insurance and a varieity of other perks that those born there have to fight for. And if I am not mistaken, they are held captive to their country so they are unable to travel. Not by chains, but by the fact that they have to purchase their own health insurance for anything outside Canada. Their health insurance will only cover travel in the country, absolutely nothing outside of it so many cannot afford to travel.
I live in Florida, and there are literally thousands of Canadians who winter here. Many even have their own communities, with the Maple leaf flag flying at the entrance. I am told by the Canadians that I know, that they may leave Canada for five months and still retain their Canadian benefits.
 

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Canadians wintering in the south maintain their health care in Canada but must purchase outside heslth care to cover them in the US. Many have ongoing health issues and have stopped traveling because the out of country health care is too expensive. I am 72 with no existing health problems whatsoever, but if I cross the border, I need to purchase a package for the time that I am in the US. It costs me very little but if I had an accident or took a heart attack in the US without coverage the price could be horrendous. If I had a potential health issue which I knew about and failed to notify my insurance company, and that condition caused me to be hospitalised in the US, I would be denied coverage. As far as the immigration policies it is a joke. Supposed refugees are flying into New York, taking a cab to the border and walking across. I have seen the videos of the expensive luggage and smart phones as they walk across and then are automatic citizens. I have no problem with real refugees but that is not what are getting in.
 

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Our Liberal (Democratic) government is slowly ruining a great country with their socialistic laws. They tend to give money and priveliges to a great number of the population to buy votes. Quebec and urban Ontario generaly vote liberal which is a huge part of our population. Rural Ont and the West are constantly outvoted because of the lesser population. I am glad I am as old as I am because our grandchildren are going to be in a sad state down the road with our consistent debt. The Liberals tell us that the deficit will look after its self. They have ruined our military. Give billions to other countries but can't find money to help our veterans. In my opinion, we are in a sad state of affairs.
 

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Our Liberal (Democratic) government is slowly ruining a great country with their socialistic laws. They tend to give money and priveliges to a great number of the population to buy votes.
Hmmm.... Why does that sound familiar....
 

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I live in Florida, and there are literally thousands of Canadians who winter here. Many even have their own communities, with the Maple leaf flag flying at the entrance. I am told by the Canadians that I know, that they may leave Canada for five months and still retain their Canadian benefits.
If they can afford to live for five months in the US they are not poor. If they have their own condo and home, I am sure they could probably pay the ridiculous heath care outside the country costs. There are enough Canadians on this website. I would be curious how good or bad living in a socialist country has become. What we see as Americans is very limited, and often colored as to what we want to see, or in some cases what we are allowed to see. It has been rumored, that the homeless are made to disappear when a promotion for the city or a major dignitary visits cities. Then again how many times have I heard that homeless don't really exist. "It is only those that choose to be homeless that are homeless, and everyone else could live at the Ritz."
 

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Term Limits anyone?
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We have term limits here in the U.S. We just "elect" not to use them. Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell are in positions of power because voters in California and Kentucky have kept them there. If I lived in either state, I would vote for the challenger just to limit that politician's time in office. Incumbancy is a cancer that must be excised at the ballot box.

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Good point...a problem though...when less than half of the eligible voters turn out...(especially in a "mid-term" cycle)...who is deciding the outcome?? As I have suggested, turnout (whether national, state or local elections) is shamefully low...thus more of the same..."lifetime legislators"? government for the dollar$?(n)
I believe Presidential term limits came about during the time of FDR. Perhaps, additional term limit laws are necessary...(I could imagine a newbie running for Congress, who wants term limits as the top priority, could be a "shoe in") I would also like to see political parties abolished...publicly funded elections w/strict & fair rules...NO private money...every candidate must stand on their own two feet & convince voters on why he or she is the best choice. (Not holding my breath for that to happen:p...LOL!)
 
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